ConferenceCall 2011 05 19

= OntologySummit2011 review and follow-up action planning ("postmortem") session - Thu 19-May-2011 =


 * Chair: Dr. SteveRay and Dr. NicolaGuarino


 * Archive:
 * Abstract
 * Agenda & Proceedings
 * Prepared presentation material can be accessed by clicking on the title link(s) below:
 * [ 0-Chair ] . [ 1-Ray (cont'd)  ] . [ 2-Uschold ] . [ 3-Hashemi ]
 * [ audio recording of the session ] ( 1:23:30 ; mp3 ; 9.6MB )
 * [ Transcript of the online chat session ] during the panel discussion
 * Other Resources

Conference Call Details

 * Date: Thursday, 19-May-2011
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Attendees

 * Attended:
 * SteveRay (co-chair)
 * NicolaGuarino (co-chair)
 * MichaelUschold
 * AliHashemi
 * PeterYim
 * HasanSayani
 * JerrySmith
 * PeteNielsen
 * MatthewWest
 * LeoObrst
 * TerryLongstreth
 * MichaelGruninger
 * YuriyMilov
 * FabianNeuhaus
 * RexBrooks


 * Expecting:
 * ... if you are coming to the session, please add your name above (plus your affiliation, if you aren't already a member of the community) above; or e-mail  so that we can reserve enough resources to support everyone's participation. ...
 * ... if you are coming to the session, please add your name above (plus your affiliation, if you aren't already a member of the community) above; or e-mail  so that we can reserve enough resources to support everyone's participation. ...


 * Regrets:
 * TimWilson

Resources

 * OntologySummit
 * OntologySummit2011 - Homepage for Ontology Summit 2011
 * OntologySummit2011_Symposium
 * OntologySummit2011_Communique
 * Ontology Summit 2011 in numbers
 * proceedings from this year's Summit organizing committee postmortem session 2011.05.13
 * proceedings from last year's Summit postmortem session 2010.04.15

Abstracts:

 * Session Topic: "OntologySummit2011 (postmortem) review and follow-up action planning"


 * The goal of this session is to revisit the last Ontology Summit and plan ahead for the future. We will discuss what worked and what can be improved during the 3~4 months of OntologySummit2011, and get ideas on how to make next year's Ontology Summit even better. This meeting gives us an opportunity to develop some plans and initiatives for action that will move what we have achieved beyond the 3-month Summit itself. Further, this meeting is also an opportunity to suggest topics and themes for next year's Ontology Summit.

Agenda Ideas:

 * Review what worked and what didn't this year
 * Good ideas, suggestions and possible action that arose
 * Follow-up Action planning
 * Documenting OntologySummit2011
 * Ongoing collection of Applications Cases and value they bring
 * Getting the word out
 * Suggestions (e.g. topics and themes) for Ontology Summit 2012
 * ... (please insert below, anything else you may suggest)

Agenda & Proceedings:

 * Session Format & Agenda: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call:
 * 1. Opening - co-chairs: SteveRay & NicolaGuarino ... [ slides ]
 * 2. Open discussion: "How did it go? what worked? what needs improvement? how can we take this further?" - All (~30 min.) ... please refer to process above
 * 3. Some follow-up action plans ... Steveray, MichaelUschold, AliHashemi (5 min. each) ...  [ slides ]
 * 4. Open discussion: ideas and themes for Ontology Summit 2012 - All (~20 min.) ... please refer to process above
 * 5. Once again ... a solicitation to endorse the Communique if you haven't already done so
 * see: open invitation & OntologySummit2011_Communique
 * 6. Conclusion / Follow-up - co-chairs: SteveRay & NicolaGuarino

Transcript of the online chat during the session:
see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.) Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin of chat session --

PeterYim: Welcome to the

OntologySummit2011 review and follow-up action planning ("postmortem") session - Thu 19-May-2011


 * Chair: Dr. SteveRay and Dr. NicolaGuarino

Please refer to details on session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_05_19

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anonymous morphed into vnc2

Ali Hashemi: Does vnc work for anyone?

PeterYim: @Ali - no ... you will have to call out the advance, and I will advance the slides for you

PeterYim: session starts ... How did OntologySummit2011 go?

SteveRay: Matthew: Went well - maturity of how participants approached the topic

Michael Uschold: Was it anyone's job to get media coverage? IF not, that is the explanation.

anonymous morphed into FabianNeuhaus

SteveRay: In the future, need a publicity chair (Uschold, Obrst)

PeterYim: +1 on Gruninger's point about the panel at the Symposium - I agree it went real well and provided a good range of perspectives

SteveRay: Gruninger: could have done better on the challenge problems

PeterYim: @Steve - vnc still working properly here

SteveRay: VNC is back for me - it hiccuped and required me to log in again.

FabianNeuhaus: I am basking

PeterYim: presentations continued - [ 1-Ray ] (slide#8 now)

SteveRay: Michael: Can't help observing that we're really in an Epilogue, rather than a Prologue as noted on your slide. (Shocking misuse of a term for an ontologist!

PeterYim: == MichaelUschold presenting == [ 2-Uschold ]

LeoObrst: I think that Michael's Ontology Usage Catalog could also become part of the Open Ontology Repository, at some point, since the points on his slide 2 are largely also addressed by the OOR.

SteveRay: Michael: What is the relationship between your work and the Open Ontology Repository?

RexBrooks: Sorry I'm late folks-conflicting telecon, about an emergency management ontology.

PeterYim: NicolaGuarino: in favor of Michael's proposal ... cataloging is good, but qualifying it as "exemplary" could be dangerous

AliHashemi: With respect to the summit, it is also an issue of how suitable the example ontology is for making a case.

The OOR encompasses a broader range of ontologies

NicolaGuarino: According to the authors, "An exemplary ontology is one that can serve as a model that can be imitated or leveraged by ontology engineers in the future. The most fundamental property of an exemplary ontology is being well designed for its intended purpose". This is risky.

MichaelUschold: Agree with Nicola about having a way to enter things into a repository, without having to commit to it being exemplary. I agree. The exemplary ontology catalog is just an example of a semantic-form based catalog. An ontology usage framework could use a similar approach. Whether or not we choose to rate the quality of ontology uses is a discussion about just one attribute of the ontology usage, not a big issue per se.

MatthewWest: Apologies, but I have to leave now.

PeterYim: bye, Matthew

MichaelUschold: @Nicola: can you comment on the publication of ontology usages in AOJ (the "Applied Ontology" Journal) according to some kind of standard format?

RexBrooks: I'll give the standing use-case library some thought. I promised other groups that I would catch up on work that took a lower priority before the summit, so I can't commit now, but I may commit after those projects are up to date.

LeoObrst: Maybe AOJ could institute a kind of New Ontologies of Interest section? Brief descriptions of ontologies and their use cases?

NicolaGuarino: @Michael: definitely we are open to publish ontology usages on the AOJ, but honestly I have no idea of the proper format (there was some discussion with MichaelGruninger at the summit)

MichaelUschold: I could not agree more with AliHashemi that there needs to be a better way to show off the results of our work. I do not like sending people to our working wiki site.

NicolaGuarino: @Ali: I definetly support the idea of a nice (non wiki-based) website, certainly it would be great to point at it from the IAOA.org web site (and from MANY different places).

PeterYim: == Brainstorm on possible theme for next year's Ontology Summit ==

LeoObrst: Jumping ahead a bit, Potential Topics for Ontology Summit 2012: 1) Ontology Best Practices, Methodologies, Evaluation, 2) Ontology Self-Correction, Automated Growth, Ontology Learning. To some extent both of these were mentioned at the Symposium.

NicolaGuarino: (of course we need some way of quality evaluation, of course)

RexBrooks: Thought for next year's Summit: How do we make people aware of ontology by saying "Did you know that YOU have an ontology?

RexBrooks: The point is showing how there are implicit ontologies everywhere, and making people aware of it. What are the consequences of willy nilly ontological practices?

RexBrooks: How to put that into a a Summit Theme is a good question.

MichaelUschold: I propose "Ontology Engineering best practice"

MichaelUschold: I think that Ontology best practice is too big.

MichaelUschold: I think ontology learning is too small a topic, very important, but represents small part of the community

MichaelGruninger: Rather than ontology learning the topic can be broadened to ontology acquisition e.g. extracting ontologies from unstructured knowledge

PeterYim: it was suggested before (in previous years) the theme of "Ontology and Software Engineering" - and create a platform to pull together these two communities

SteveRay: @Peter: or..."Ontology and Systems Engineering"

LeoObrst: Perhaps related to "Ontology and Software / Systems Engineering" is "Developing Ontology Applications".

RexBrooks: "Solving Problems with Ontology"?

MichaelGruninger: Challenge Problems for Ontology Design and Applications

LeoObrst: I agree that Evaluation is a potentially big topic, as that NIST workshop made clear: many approaches.

FabianNeuhaus: I agree with Nicola, when I said "Best Practices" I should have said "Best Practices & Methodologies"

PeterYim: a possible theme that came across (when Matthew and I were doing "Strategies") is "Making the Case for Ontology Research"

NicolaGuarino: @Peter: BTW, "Making the case for ontology research" is a GREAT topic, although perhaps less popular than best practices & methodology

NicolaGuarino: Also: research challenges for ontologies

AliHashemi: Ontologies as Part of Knowledge Systems (how it fits into other technologies)

PeterYim: +1 on Ali's "Ontologies as Part of Knowledge Systems"

YuriyMilov: alternatives ... "challenges for ontologies" I agreed

RexBrooks: Similar to Best Practices and Software Engineering, and building on this year's topic, I would suggest something along the lines of "What is Ontology Good For? it breaks down into Tracks for things like performance, collateral benefits, etc.

FabianNeuhaus: For the record, I suggested to distinguish "Ontology Best Practices, Methodologies" and "Evaluation of Ontologies" as separate topics

AliHashemi: Ontology acquisition might also resonate broadly, as it would help communicate how people who didn't realize they could use ontologies, could.

TerryLongstreth: Back to its roots: Ontology usage for Philosophy and the Humanities

PeterYim: Nicola / Steve: ask people to continue to contribute ideas (brainstorm on topics) - conversation can and should continue on the [ontology-summit] list

PeterYim: Home page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit

LeoObrst: Adios!

PeterYim: Steve suggest adding a link on that page to a place where people can suggest "future themes"

PeterYim: sure ... send us your suggestions here - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit/Suggestions

NicolaGuarino: @MichaelUschold: once the communique is ready (with endorsement), submit it to Applied Ontology so we can publish it soon

AliHashemi: Thank you all.

PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:00am PDT --

-- end of chat session --


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