ConferenceCall 2005 12 01

= [ontolog] Member Conference Call - Thu 2005-12-01 =

Conference Call Details

 * Subject: [ontolog] member conference call Thu 2005-12-01


 * Agenda Comments:
 * ... build rapport; ... sync up; ... distribute, assign or arbitrate virtual ownership of tasks; ... and use it to deal with emergencies. ... plus, member suggested agenda items.
 * In particular, we will be devoting a portion of this call to work out technical discussion topics for the next few months; especially, one that is potentially a joint session on an "Upper Ontology" panel.
 * please post any suggested agenda items to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by [[WebDAV] upload] prior to the meeting
 * VNC session (if needed) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/
 * view-only password: "ontolog"
 * view-and-control pw: to be supplied during session as needed
 * Wiki page for this call (i.e. this page) is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_12_01
 * Date: Thursday, Dec. 1, 2005
 * Start Time: 10:30 AM PST / 1:30 PM EST / 18:30 UTC World Clock
 * Expected Call Duration: 1 ~ 1.5 hour
 * Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada)
 * Participant Access Code: "686564#"

Attendees

 * Attended:
 * PeterYim
 * KurtConrad
 * RexBrooks
 * AdamPease
 * BobSmith
 * LeoObrst
 * BillMcCarthy
 * PatCassidy
 * DuaneNickull
 * DagobertSoergel
 * MonicaMartin
 * DavidWhitten
 * SteveRay


 * Expecting:
 * ...(add your name here)...''


 * Regrets:
 * BillAndersen (in Europe on vacation)
 * BarrySmith
 * MarkGreaves
 * EMichaelMaximilien
 * BrandNiemann (conflict with DRM Pilot meeting)

Agenda Ideas

 * ...(add suggested items here)...

Agenda & Proceedings
1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda


 * KurtConrad took the chair and welcomed everyone.

2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes


 * PeterYim volunteered

3) Roll-call of participants


 * see above

4) Upcoming meeting & event schedule (near future)


 * Reference: Nominal meeting types (on a monthly basis):
 * member regular meeting
 * invited speaker session
 * scheduled discussion
 * project review
 * workshop / work session
 * planning


 * Scheduled Ontolog Events
 * Thu Dec. 8, 2005 - JimSpohrer - "Services Science, Management, and Engineering (SSME)" - see: ConferenceCall_2005_12_08 - confirmed (PeterYim & EMichaelMaximilien)
 * Thu Dec. 15, 2005 discussion - Moderator: DuaneNickull & KurtConrad - subject: "Ontology Applications and Implementations" - see: ConferenceCall_2005_12_15/Prep
 * Thu Jan. 12, 2006 - LeoObrst - "What is an ontology? - A Briefing on the Range of Semantic Models" - confirmed (PeterYim)
 * Thu Feb. 9, 2006 - AsumanDogac - "Exploiting ebXML Registry Semantics in the eHealth Domain" - confirmed (MonicaMartin)


 * Invited Speaker Schedule for the next 3~6 months
 * Candidate -
 * NicolaGuarino on DOLCE, possibly also BillAndersen or ChrisWelty (suggested by PeterYim & PatCassidy)
 * SimonBuckinghamShum of the Compendium Institute ( ? ; ref. post from ScottLHolmes & PeterYim's reponse)
 * LarryReeker of NIST (suggested by SusanTurnbull)
 * John Sowa (suggested by BillMcCarthy)
 * other suggestions:
 * Monica: suggest inviting someone from the [regrep] group
 * Rex suggsted we should also invite UDDI and XMDR people, and possibly to have all three parties (regrep, uddi & xmdr) on a panel
 * Peter also suggested that we should invite Dieter Fensel to talk to us some time
 * Rex / Peter: XMDR - BruceBargmeyer or someone from his XMDR team
 * PeterYim / ElisaKendall: PatHayes, DeborahMcGuinness
 * To be brought up for discussion:
 * ChrisMenzel: BillAndersen
 * BrandNiemann / MarkMusen / PeterYim: Frank Hartel (NIH/NCI)
 * BrandNiemann / PeterYim: RoyRoebuck
 * DuaneNickull: suggesting candidates from Microsoft - Phil Berstein & Sergey Melnik - ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2005-08/msg00027.html
 * DuaneNickull: EricMiller, Tim Berners-Lee of W3C
 * ChrisMenzel & PeterYim: ChrisMenzel some time early 2006 - on some of the work he is doing at Boeing)
 * PeterBrown & PeterYim (new!): PeterBrown some time early 2006 - on the EU project that PeterBrown has been working on in Austria: of building an "eGovernment Resources Network" - the issues relating to handling the exchange of reference information about eGovernment services across the continent - in many languages. This could serve as an interesting case study of what we are looking for from so-called "semantic web services".
 * BrandNiemann (new! input/2005.10.15): EricPeterson - who's been working on an OWL version of the FEA-DRM and who will lead the COSMO development subgroup in the newly formed SICoP / ONTAC-WG
 * MillsDavis (new! / 2005.11.26) - Conor Shankey (CEO, Visual Knowledge)
 * PeterYim (new! / 2005.11.28) - AdamCheyer, SRI, on the CALO project
 * PeterYim (new! Prompted by Doug Lenat's talk) - MikeGenesereth (director of the Stanford Logic Group)
 * suggest we also try to invite candidate speakers to join us at weekly calls and other ontolog events so that they get more familiar with the community and vice versa


 * Scheduled Discussions for the next 2 months - candidates:
 * a panel with speaker representing: SUMO, OpenCyc Upper Ontology, DOLCE, ... (suggested by PeterYim/2005.01.20) -- to be discussed in more detail today below
 * possibly teaming up with SICoP and their ONTAC-WG/COSMO-WG
 * Rex: possibility of working with Duane on a follow-up to the last SOA discussion
 * Rex suggested we should also invite UDDI and XMDR people, and possibly to have all three parties (regrep, uddi & xmdr) on a panel
 * Adam: need OWL & SWRL for OWL ontologies to really be useful
 * NicolasRouquette -- other topics lined up?
 * Other candidates:
 * Rex: propose "Emergency Response"
 * Kurt: we should revisit "CCTS ontology" for Nov. (even Sep.) - we'll talk to Duane again if he shows up next week; if he doesn't Kurt, will ping Duane.
 * Anders: we should have a "Tools / Testing" discussion
 * Kurt: "on metamodels, independent of the representation" (at a level that allows us to avoid the language war)
 * Bob: as a segway into things like pi-calculus, tec.
 * PeterYim: "moving from data standards to data-model- and semantic-model-driven eBusiness standards"
 * candidate panelists: BruceBargmeyer, MarkCrawford, ElisaKendall, AdamPease, MikeDaconta, JimHendler, SteveRay (moderator?)
 * maybe a joint SICoP-Ontolog event, as part of another Collaborative Expedition Workshop?


 * Upcoming Events of interest
 * SusanTurnbull's CEW#46 - Tue 2005.12.06 at NSF (Ballston, VA) & via Remote Access - see: ColabWiki:ExpeditionWorkshop/AdvancingInformationSharingAndDataArchitecture_2005_12_06

5) Communications, logistics, & work protocols issues

6) Follow-ups from previous calls


 * Bob and Nicolas will work on the ontological lessons learned in our exercise on RegularConferenceCall scheduling -- (Bob / Nicolas - please bring closure to this item)


 * session with UN/CEFACT on CCTS 3.0 recommendations
 * Kurt: called CCTS / Mary Kay-Blantz on Nov. 11, 2005
 * we see our input as a starting point for discussion (not an immediate actionable change request)
 * they prefer a F2F discussion rather than a phone conference
 * are interested to have us present at their Conference on Mar. 13~17, 2006 in Vancouver, Canada
 * would be wonderful if we can do a "What is an Ontology?" like what Leo is going to present on Jan. 12, 2006
 * we should invite them [attn: Kurt]

7) Current Project Status Report


 * Status CCT-Representation and UBL-Ontology project work - nothing to report
 * Requirements issues (ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases)
 * Formalization issues
 * UBL Liaison update
 * [CCT-Rep] status report


 * Status of Protege-KIF project work
 * Peter & Pat working on putting this up on the SMI/CIM3 CODS server


 * status of NHIN-RFI & Health-Ont project work
 * representation and paper submission to FCW Government Health IT Conference - Nov. 17~18, 2005, Washington, D.C.
 * Marc Wine presented on HITOP


 * UBL liaison report - nothing to report


 * SICoP liaison report
 * Brand: I would like to get ONTAC / Ontolog Forum help with the review of DRM / Section 207 d Best Practice Examples
 * see slide 7 for our December 6th (CEW#46) Workshop at http://web-services.gov/scopedrmit212062005.ppt


 * NCOR relationship - pending


 * Planning team report - nothing to report

8) project work session / discussion -


 * Thu 2005.12.15 Scheduled Discussion on "Ontology Applications and Implementations" - final tuning


 * Discussion on a Joint "Upper Ontology Panel"
 * collaborators (co-organizer): Ontolog, SICOP/ONTAC/COSMO, NIST, NCOR, CYCorp, LOA, Articulate Software, ...
 * Action plan
 * an organizing committee to work offline
 * SteveRay, PatCassidy, PeterYim (coordinator), LeoObrst, KurtConrad, ... also, BrandNiemann (confirmed: 2005.12.07)
 * Peter to make a post to the forum to ask if others want to join too (e.g. GaryBergCross, BillAndersen, ... have so indicated)
 * precede and follow the event with a focused forum discussion on the topic? (already on [ontac-forum]? same or different discussion?)
 * date / time:
 * Steve: Mar. 13~17 2006 "Interoperability Week" at NIST (note conflict with UN/CEFACT Vancouver conference)
 * Steve: possibility to devote a day (or half-day) of that week to this event
 * decision: try to lock in for Thursday afternoon (ET) for the panel
 * maybe the other half day can be used by those onsite to do some real F2F work
 * need the sessions to be available remotely for those who will only participate virtually
 * candidate moderator
 * we all agreed that we needed someone who is neutral, moderate, and is highly respected by the community
 * a few of the candidates were dropped because they have a position that they wanted to represent at the event
 * SteveRay is elected to be the moderator for this panel
 * candidate panelist (and targeted participant)
 * AdamPease, NicolaGuarino, ChrisWelty, BillAndersen, AldoGangemi ("Descriptions and Situations" extensions of DOLCE), DougLenat, DagobertSoergel, PatCassidy, MichaelGruninger, MatthewWest (ISO15926), JohnSowa, ElisaKendall (OMG/ODM), BruceBargmeyer or NancyLawler (ISO11179), ...
 * goal
 * shall we based this event on the assumption/precept that "a common upper ontology is good"
 * get parties to set aside their own agenda and genuinely collaborate
 * follow-up
 * Thoughts
 * Rex: need more than 2 hours
 * Rex: should we involve the UDEF people?
 * general consensus is no, since even they (UDEF folks) themselves disclaim that they are an ontology in all their recent presentations
 * Peter: accesible both onsite and remote
 * Pat / Steve: notify the press
 * Pat: eliminate the perception that this is a "religious" battle among the ontologists themselves
 * David: health ontology folks involved?
 * refer to subsequent preparation work for this event at the UpperOntologyPanel project page


 * Presenting at the OASIS Symposium 2006 (9-12 May 2006, San Francisco, CA) - Proposal submission deadline: 20 December 2005
 * see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2005-11/msg00010.html
 * Duane and Rex are submitting, requesting that they cover our (Ontolog) work as a sidebar

9) New project proposals

10) Sponsorship and funding

11) Other business

12) Next meeting date and adjourn


 * regular call adjourned 11:43 am PST
 * next call will be on Thu 2005-12-08 starting at 10:30 am PST - Dr. James Spohrer of IBM will be speaking on "Services Science, Management, and Engineering (SSME)" - see: ConferenceCall_2005_12_08 ... see you there. RSVP!

-- minutes captured in real time on this wiki by PeterYim / 2005.12.01-12:00pm