ConferenceCall 2009 12 10

= OntologySummit2010 Launch Event - Thu 2009-12-10 =

Launch Event for OntologySummit2010: "Creating the Ontologists of the Future"

 * Co-chairs: Dr. SteveRay & Professor BarrySmith (Ontology Summit 2010 General Co-chair)


 * Panelists:
 * Content Track:
 * Present: ArturoSanchez, AntonyGalton
 * Future: LeoObrst, MichaelGruninger
 * Quality Track:
 * Present: ArturoSanchez, AntonyGalton
 * Future: BarrySmith, NicolaGuarino, FabianNeuhaus
 * Professional Context Track:
 * Present: AmandaVizedom, RalphHodgson
 * Future: ElizabethFlorescu, PeterYim


 * Archive:
 * Agenda & Proceedings
 * Our panel's prepared slides can be accessed by clicking on each of the title links below:
 * Slides: . [ 0-Chair ] . [ 1-Sanchez-Galton ] . [ 2-Obrst-Gruninger ] . [ 3-Smith-Guarino-Neuhaus ] . [ 4-Vizedom-Hodgson ] . [ 5-Florescu-Yim ]
 * [ Audio Recording of the session ] (mp3) ... (raw audio file; due to the glitches we had with the conferencing system, this recording will need to be further edited and cleaned up.)
 * [ Transcript of the online chat session ] during the panel discussion

Conference Call Details

 * Date: Thursday, 10-December-2009 
 * Start Time: 10:30am PST / 1:30pm EST / 7:30pm CET / 6:30pm GMT / 18:30 UTC
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Attendees:

 * Registered participants:
 * SteveRay (co-chair)
 * BarrySmith (co-chair)
 * MarkMusen
 * PeterYim
 * ArturoSanchez
 * AmandaVizedom
 * MichaelGruninger
 * ElizabethFlorescu
 * SimonFrechette
 * MarkCarlisle
 * BruceBray
 * JoelBender
 * GaryBergcross
 * BrandNiemann
 * JerrySmith
 * BillHogan
 * RaviSharma
 * MaryBrady
 * AliHashemi
 * BonnieSwart
 * JoelNatividad
 * BorisShvedin
 * DeniseBedford
 * CameronRoss
 * Lisa Zilinski (PWC)
 * Julita Bermejo-Alonso (Universidad Politecnica de Madrid, Spain)
 * RexBrooks
 * Meika Ungricht
 * Tracy Safran (SAIC; NIH/NCI[C])
 * TerryLongstreth
 * Matthew Lange (UC Davis)
 * Steven Wilkinson (Rockhurst University)
 * DavidLeal
 * Peter Bruhn Andersen (Denmark)
 * Jim Alles (Penn State U)
 * BartGajderowicz
 * StuartTurner
 * KenBaclawski
 * FrankOlken
 * JohnSchlichter
 * EdDodds
 * Pete Nielsen (Intellegere Foundation)
 * JeffAbbott
 * KurtConrad
 * LaurentLiscia
 * PatCassidy
 * PavithraKenjige
 * TerryLongstreth
 * My Coyne (Bioinformatics Consultant for NDAR/NIH)
 * ... if you are coming to the session, please add your name above (plus your affiliation, if you aren't already a member of the community) above; or e-mail  so that we can reserve enough resources to support everyone's participation. ...


 * Regrets:
 * AntonyGalton
 * LeoObrst
 * NancyWiegand
 * PierreGrenon
 * MatthewWest
 * NicolaGuarino
 * RalphHodgson
 * AldoGangemi

Resources

 * Homepage of OntologySummit2010
 * Communitywide brainstorming and planning session Ontology Summit 2010 - ConferenceCall_2009_11_05
 * [ontology-summit] mailing list archives - http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/
 * to subscribe to this discussion list: send a blank message from your subscribing email address to  or visit http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontology-summit/ and subscribe yourself there
 * Homepage of OntologySummit2009 - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2009
 * OntologySummit2009_Communique
 * Homepage of OntologySummit2008 - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2008
 * OntologySummit2008_Communique
 * Homepage of OntologySummit2007 - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007
 * OntologySummit2007_Communique
 * Homepage of UpperOntologySummit (2006) - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpperOntologySummit
 * UpperOntologySummit/UosJointCommunique

Background
This is our 5th Ontology Summit, a joint initiative by NIST, Ontolog, NCOR, NCBO and IAOA with the support of our co-sponsors. The theme adopted for this Ontology Summit is: "Creating the Ontologists of the Future." In an earlier planning session last month, the community brainstormed on this initiative and how best to frame the issues. That and subsequent input were carefully reviewed and synthesized by the Summit Organizing Committee, and it is this plan that we will be discussing with everyone during this launch event.

This officially marks the beginning of "Ontology Summit 2010." Programs including surveys, mailing list discussions, virtual panel sessions, collaborative authoring of research studies and findings, etc. will follow in the next three months. These activities will culminate in a two-day face-to-face symposium at NIST (Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA) on 15 & 16-March-2010. At this launch, we will be introducing the "Ontology Summit 2010" objective, organization, process, deliverables and preliminary plans to you, and we welcome your ideas and participation.

See: OntologySummit2010 (home page for the project)

Agenda & Proceedings:
Ontology Summit 2010 Launch


 * Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call
 * 1. Opening - SteveRay / BarrySmith
 * 2. we'll go around with a self-introduction of participants (All) (10~15 minutes)
 * 3. Background and the Ontology Summit 2010 objectives
 * 4. The organization, Process and Deliverables
 * 5. Support infrastructure and Administrivia
 * 6. Q & A and open discussion on what the community wants to achieve in this Summit (All ~30 min.) -- please refer to [ process above]
 * 7. Conclusion / Follow-up (SteveRay - 5 minutes)

Topic: Ontology Summit 2010 Launch

 * Abstract: Creating the Ontologists of the Future


 * Increasingly, major national and international projects centered on ontology technology are being advanced by governments and by scientific and industrial organizations. This brings a growing need for ontology expertise and thus for new methods and institutions for the training of ontologists. The 2010 Ontology Summit will explore strategies to address this need in terms of curriculum, establishment of new career tracks, role of ontology support organizations and funding agencies, as well as training in the analysis and comparison of methodologies for designing, maintaining, implementing, testing and applying ontologies and associated tools and resources.


 * The 2010 Ontology Summit officially begins with today's launch event. We are initiating a series

of topical online discussions, virtual panel sessions, etc. which will take place, virtually, in the next 3 months. All of these will come together with a face-to-face meeting on March 15 & 16 in Gaithersburg, MD, USA at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).


 * Transcript of the online chat during the session:

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.) Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin of chat session --

PeterYim: . Welcome to the Thu 2009-12-10 Launch Event for Ontology Summit 2010


 * Co-chairs: Dr. SteveRay & Professor BarrySmith (Ontology Summit 2010 General Co-chair)


 * OntologySummit2010 Theme: "Creating the Ontologists of the Future"

o Content Track: + Present: ArturoSanchez, AntonyGalton + Future: LeoObrst, MichaelGruninger o Quality Track: + Present: ArturoSanchez, AntonyGalton + Future: BarrySmith, NicolaGuarino, FabianNeuhaus o Professional Context Track: + Present: AmandaVizedom, RalphHodgson + Future: ElizabethFlorescu, PeterYim . session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_12_10 .
 * Panelists:

anonymous morphed into JohnSchlichter

JohnSchlichter: What is the URL for the presentation?

JoelNatividad: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_12_10#nid23MX

JoelNatividad: click on each item enclosed in brackets in Slides bullet

JohnSchlichter: thank you

anonymous1 morphed into Meika Ungricht

anonymous2 morphed into KurtConrad

anonymous1 morphed into Tracy Safran NCICB/EVS

JohnSchlichter: has joined the concall.

Laurent morphed into LaurentLiscia

anonymous1 morphed into RexBrooks

anonymous morphed into Peter B Andersen

anonymous1 morphed into Cameron Ross

FrankOlken: I have joined the conference call.

FrankOlken: Just a reminder to NSF PI's: CISE small proposals are due on Dec. 17, 2009.

anonymous: Elizabeth joined, but I don't know how to enter my name...

JoelBender: Elizabeth: there is a "settings" button at the top, click it.

JoelBender: There is an option there for your name.

Elizabeth morphed into ElizabethFlorescu

ArturoSanchez: @anonymous: press Settings

anonymous morphed into Stuart Turner

anonymous2 morphed into BarrySmith

RexBrooks morphed into RexBrooks

Mary Brady morphed into MaryBrady

Cameron Ross morphed into CameronRoss

Bill Hogan morphed into BillHogan

anonymous morphed into PavithraKenjige

JoelNatividad: Gents, can you confirm that the VNC shared screen is up?

RaviSharma: Yes Joel

ArturoSanchez: @JoelNatividad: it seems VNC is not up this time ... ask Peter

RaviSharma: Joel, Please put in password after you open the VNC in a new Window some company firewalls do not allow so download the slides and open them please

ArturoSanchez: ArturoSanchez: @JoelNatividad: I take it back ... it is up ...

Tracy Safran NCICB/EVS morphed into Tracy Safran SAIC/EVS

JoelNatividad: @Arturo,Ravi:thanks

RaviSharma: Barry

RaviSharma: Are you able to see this please unmute #3

Peter B Andersen: None of the phone numbers I have tried seems to be correct. Has any one else had this problem?

JohnSchlichter: Darn. I missed the intro because I had to answer the door.

ArturoSanchez: @PeterYim: I hear OK ...

AmandaVizedom: Steve, you are fading in and out to me

Tracy Safran SAIC/EVS: No problems hearing either of you

JohnSchlichter: The presenter is hard to hear.

JohnSchlichter: Peter is easy to hear, but Steve is not.

PeterYim: Barry, we cannot hear you

BarrySmith: I am hearing you, but you seem not to be hearing me.

RaviSharma: Barry please press *3

ArturoSanchez: Yes!

ArturoSanchez: Excellent!

anonymous morphed into My Coyne

PeterYim: we seem to have vnc problem too ... please run the slides on your desktops

RaviSharma: Barry: I agree that Ontology basics from different viewpoints should be a common awareness baseline curriculum.

ArturoSanchez: indeed ...

anonymous morphed into BorisShvedin

JohnSchlichter: Barry commented that ontology should not be confused with semiotics or Wittgenstein-ian language games. Should it not be confused with phenomenology as well, or is that a relevant intellectual history?

RaviSharma: Barry: However I am not in favor of restricting the access to ontolog forum except by whatever moderation that peter so kindly provides. We have to laud Peter's efforts at keeping the forum transparent and open to the World at large. What perhaps you are meaning is that those who claim some certification etc can have a more restricted forum such as certified ontologists. I have for example no formal training in Ontology and i am happy to operate in open forum. If I submit a paper, it has to be refereed etc and there are mechanisms to restrict or filter contributions. I recommend to keep Ontolog Forum Open.

RaviSharma: Peter: please update VNC

RaviSharma: Arturo: we have to search and explore and interpret different curriculae which most likely often are part of some domain based curriculae and also combine them with onto specific curriculae to get a canvas of current state.

AmandaVizedom: Don't worry, John and Ravi -- there will be *plenty* of discussion about what the content, measures, and delivery of ontological competence are & should be. Barry shared his motivation with us, but it is important for all to know that motivations across the Organizing Committee are quite varied, and all expect similar variation among participants. I hope that we can discuss these, but also - essentially - move past them to make progress on the training/education development goals we have in common.

RaviSharma: Leo and Mike: Why are you excluding a Ph.D. Program in Ontology whether it is coupled with knowledge type adjectives?

anonymous morphed into JeffAbbott

RaviSharma: Mike:

JohnSchlichter: Amanda: thanks. Just trying to orient my listening.

JoelNatividad: Peter, Steve: I can hear Steve quite well

JoelNatividad: Perhaps, its on your end

BartGajderowicz: I hear the static as well.

BruceBray: no problem hearing Steve from my end

JohnSchlichter: I can hear everyone fine now.

RexBrooks: I'm also having no trouble hearing Steve.

JohnSchlichter: Well, the presenter just disapeared.

CameronRoss: A lot of baseline static here.

My Coyne: Now, I cannot hear anything..

ElizabethFlorescu: it seems that the line got cut????

GaryBergCross: I can hear everyone.

RexBrooks: I'm now also not hearing anyone but Peter, Frank and a few others.

SteveRay: I've lost contact also.

My Coyne: Yes I can hear steve

SteveRay: Can't hear Arturo.

ArturoSanchez: Can you hear me??

CameronRoss: all clear now

BartGajderowicz: The static just disappeared for me as well.

JohnSchlichter: I seem to hear everyone except Arturo.

SteveRay: Can't hear Arturo

FrankOlken: I can hear Steve Ray, Peter Yim, Michael Gruninger, .... but not Arturo.

RaviSharma: Barry: can you hear steve?

ArturoSanchez: It seems I need to call again ... move to another track ...

MichaelGruninger: @Ravi: We are not exlcuding PhD programme; that was a small oversight in the slides

RaviSharma: Mike: We need Domain based such as Supply chain, Mfg, Financial and other practical domains clinical practices and also professional tracks such as biology, medicine, physics etc.

JoelNatividad: +1 to Ravi's point about domains. Also, what about work on standardizing domain-specific upper ontologies

MichaelGruninger: @Ravi : Yes, I mentioned the notion of streams for industrial application areas at the end of my presentation (although it wasn't explicitly on the slides)

SteveRay: Barry is now presenting.

BartGajderowicz: Which slides / page is Barry presenting from?

SteveRay: Barry is on slide #2

ArturoSanchez: I am back ... I can hear Barry ... but need to check if people will be able to hear me ... let me know ...

JoelBender: @Bart: OntologySummit2010-Launch_Quality-Track--BarrySmith-NicolaGuarino-FabianNeuhaus_20091210

JoelNatividad: @Bart: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2010/2009-12-10_LaunchEvent/OntologySummit2010-Launch_Quality-Track--BarrySmith-NicolaGuarino-FabianNeuhaus_20091210.pdf

BartGajderowicz: thank you

SteveRay: Arturo, I will introduce you once Barry is finished.

SteveRay: Slide #3

RaviSharma: Peter VNC does not work?

anonymous morphed into JulitaBermejoAlonso

BartGajderowicz: Slides: OntologySummit2010-Launch_Present-Curricular-Quality-Tracks--ArturoSanchez-AntonyGalton_20091210.pdf

AmandaVizedom: @John. Roger that. I would hate for anyone to think that they should not contribute, or stick with the Summit over the next few months, because of disagreement with Barry's position (he will be the first to say it is a controversial one). The work we will be doing over the duration of the summit is fundamentally critical and collaborative. IMNSHO, the breadth and depth of that critical collaboration is essential. Diversity of experience is a significant factor in whether the Summit produces something that moves the field of ontology forward.

RaviSharma: Yes Amanda

RaviSharma: Barry: I think we have concentrated effectively on creating a practice out of what was earlier very spotty presence encompassing almost many many disciplines, e.g. philosophy, math, physics, computer logic, bio, various other communities including search and discovery, databases people from many walks. Your efforts are praiseworthy to create an academic and professional certification tracks and hopefully these will be recognized by academic bodies to design new curriculae around them.

ArturoSanchez: @RaviSharma: thank you Ravi ... in your suggestion you are mixing present with future. The stance we propose we take is to first see what is out there, and also propose what we think should be out there ... your point is well taken

anonymous morphed into Matthew Lange

JohnSchlichter: Amanda: I don't find Barry's thesis controversial. I prefer learning to being right. I appreciate a distinction between ontology as metaphysics and ontology information science. The latter grew from the former. In this regard, I wonder what Barry's comment meant that we should disregard "irrelevant philosophical games".

JoelNatividad: @Amanda: I have so many war stories being a practitioner. Can you share your contact info?

RaviSharma: Amanda: Yes I agree, today we have to search for people today by first knowing whether they have worked with known institutions, tools or individuals, and now I have view access to your slides, I agree with your slides. However do you not agree that we have to have a roadmap or canvas of knowledge-ontology-science-logic-philosophy&logic etc and practices from DARPA, Europe and Other US Knowledge initaitives from multiple dimensions, then we can also create strategies for where the gaps are needs are and where the efforts should be.

JohnSchlichter: Ontology is taught in some universities as Philosophy. This is less the case in America, which has sucumbed to the Analytic school and focuses on language games, and used to be more common in Europe (Continental Philosophy). This developed into very practical scientific methods for practicing ontology. Thus there are already relevant curriculums.

anonymous morphed into EdDodds

RexBrooks: Don't we need to understand the marketplace in the sense of educating that marketplace about the potential value of ontologists?

AmandaVizedom: @Joel Yes, and a tip for you and others looking for Ontolog member contact info: Looking at the Wiki page for the session, you'll see that many names are hyperlinks. Click on the name and you will get the person's profile. Many folks, including me, have contact info on there (slightly obfuscated to prevent spambot harvesting).

RaviSharma: Elizabeth and Peter: Do you think a narrative section or some comment section for justifying or explaining the rationale for their choices on this questionaire would provide reasoning tracking capability of their answers?

RexBrooks: Who is the audience and are they ready to understand the value of ontology?

RaviSharma: Elizabeth & Peter: explaining reasoning is important to create a case based reasoning type automation for the future ontology analyses.

RexBrooks: Yes that was addressed to the speaker.

RexBrooks: How can a questionnaire help us understand this readiness.

PeterYim: @Amanda: one interesting question would be ... "how are expectations from ontologists different from those of knowledge engineers of the past?"

AmandaVizedom: @Peter: indeed, I will add this. Also, it calls to mind another: Is there any consistent relationship between job labels (ontologist | knowledge engineer | ontological engineer | concept modeler | ...) and activities/skills?

RaviSharma: Rex: I think it at least starts with peergroup capture of current state of ontology training and curriculum awareness.

RexBrooks: I accept that, Ravi, but we also need to push it out beyond that.

ElizabethFlorescu: to RaviSharma: yes, the reasoning adds a lot of information on the present and future developments

ElizabethFlorescu: to RexBrooks: the audience at this point is the ontology community itself; but the results, digested and integrated in the final document will be directed to the audience of this summit's audience

RaviSharma: Amanda: thanks, I agree we will have more time to discus these during this period.

RaviSharma: Peter: What are the different ways such as articles, presentations, by which we can participate and contribute to this summit from now on?

BonnieSwart: Shouldn't we have an "ontology professional" ontology? We could model each track's topics from the perspective of the ontologist: education, certification, skills, employers and organizations, projects, etc.

RaviSharma: Bonnie great idea. I agree even if do not have a full solution, at least it will demo power of logic and relationships.

EdDodds: For building the "value case", analysts at institutional investment houses need to be targeted for education so that firms recognized as utilizing ontologies will be seen as more efficient (and then, by extension, more profitable).

ArturoSanchez: @BonnieSwart: good point Bonnie! We actually talked about that and started putting a draft concept map together. We invested much time in trying to come to agree on names for concepts and relationships, and realized that for the purpose of eliciting the structure of the summit it was probably an over-kill. However, if you are interested, this would be a neat and useful contribution. Are you willing to contribute with this?

RaviSharma: Rex: Peergroup input and technology forecasting methods such as old DELPHI etc? this certainly needs to capture reasoning behind practicing professionals logic and reasoning in depicting current and future projections.

TerryLongstreth: @Ravi&Bonnie; sounds like could become an ACM Special Interest Group (SIGONTO?)

RaviSharma: Arturo:I would like to provide inputs to this effort and collaborate.

AmandaVizedom: @John: Like Barry, I am a philosopher by training. As you may guess, we might be seen as representing very different schools of thought (and, I believe, different subfields). We share a deep commitment to formal correctness and logical roots. Perhaps as a consequence of different philosophical stances, we often differ regarding how elements of the working context *should* or
 * should not* change the very nature of quality and correctness generally, and the skills needed.

JohnSchlichter: Examples where ontology is being used? How about analysis of cyber activity and social networks to gauge intentions and threats?

RaviSharma: Great comment from the speaker(?) the very observation disturbs the experiment's current state, except for thought experiments of Einstein?

AmandaVizedom: A side effect of the Professional Context survey might well be a better sense of the running projects that use ontology.

JohnSchlichter: Amanda: Like you and barry, I too am a philosopher by training. Also am a management consultant by training and vocation. Ontology became an operational science in the 1930's with works like Husserl's "Crisis of the European Sciences" which outlined the phenomenological technique as the foundation of modern science. Those are the techniques that have evolved into ontology as information science focusing on the formal representation of a set of concepts within a domain and the relationships between those concepts.

JoelNatividad: Another example: We're using it for semantic integration at a major pharma of several datasources - think of it as Enterprise Application Integration 2.0 (3.0?)

BonnieSwart: @ Arturo & Ravi: Yes, I'd be happy to collaborate with Ravi and anyone else who would be interested in creating an ontologist ontology. (My very first ontology was an "ontology" ontology, so there's a neat alignment with the idea of building an "ontologist" ontology!)

RaviSharma: Barry and Amanda: There are many Ontology based applications in Bio, Bioinformatics (genetics) and Medicine (SNOMED) and many new initiatives in NIC, NIH etc. But I feel even there we do not clearly understand how to integrate or interoperate different levels or cross ontology practices?

EdDodds: There are many business folks who understand the value of taxonomies -- and I think can be persuaded that, by analog, ontologies will be beneficial.

JohnSchlichter: To Barry's original point, a way to advance ontology is to distinguish what ontology is not.

RaviSharma: Yes Thanks Peter.

AmandaVizedom: @EdDodds -- Indeed! As I learned at Taxonomy Boot Camp a few weeks ago, and learned much about the road from there. I was pleased to learn of the extent to which folks in that world are reaching up the semantic spectrum on their own.

ArturoSanchez: @Bonnie & Ravi: great! Please, do collaborate on that ... and--if you do not mind--keep me in the loop as I am very interested in the exercise ... my contact is on the slides I presented today and also on my Ontolog entry. I also see Ravi's contact at his Ontolog entry, but do not see yours.

EdDodds: The push toward international accounting standards, xbrl is a current situation which can be used as a teaching example of a community becoming aware of the utility of a standardized taxonomy/description approach.

BonnieSwart: @John: one of the first topics I address when introducing any ontology-based idea is titled "What is an Ontology and, More Importantly, What isn't".

Tracy Safran SAIC/EVS: Is there a central wiki with information on people/projects/training?

JohnSchlichter: @Bonnie: do you have a presentation on that topic?

BonnieSwart: @John: not really; I usually address the "What isn't" part in one or two slides, tailored to a specific audience.

RaviSharma: Arturo: Thanks and Steve Ray many thanks.

RaviSharma: Also Barry many thanks.

ArturoSanchez: @Ravi: my pleasure.

BonnieSwart: @Arturo: I keep forgetting to update my wiki page -- I'll put my info up later today.

JohnSchlichter: @Amanda: thanks. Please connect with me at jschlichter-at-opmexperts.com.

AmandaVizedom: @Bonnie, Ravi, John: Yes. It's important to know, though, that many people have advanced such models, mostly based on a particular theory or opinion exclusively. We need the critical collaboration to get a more informed answer.

ArturoSanchez: @Bonnie&Ravi: Great! look forward to cooperating with both of you

JoelNatividad: @Peter: To the wiki question, will there be a new purple wiki using PMWX/SMW (as a sem wiki advocate) for the initiative?

PeterYim: @Joel ... yes, PSMW (purple semantic media wiki) ... that's the plan ... Ken Baclawski's team (NEU) and my team (CIM3) are working on content migration now

SteveRay: Thanks for your participation. Talk to you all soon.

ArturoSanchez: @all: gotta go now ... great session ... thanks y'all

PeterYim: Thank you, everyone ... great session ... bye!

JoelNatividad: plaudits to all the speakers, and especially to Peter!

PeterYim: Thanks, Joel.

-- end of chat session --


 * ... More Questions
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 * Please mark your calendars - next session (same time next Thursday): Thu 2009.12.17 - OntologySummit2010 virtual panel session-1: Surveying the Landscape and the Possibilities - developing agenda will be at: ConferenceCall_2009_12_17

An Open Invitation
If you do find this initiative interesting or useful, we cordially invite you to join us in the "Ontology Summit 2010" virtual discourse that will be taking place in the next 3 months or so, and to the face-to-face workshop that will be held on 15 & 16-March-2010 as part of the NIST Interoperability Week in Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA.


 * To participate in OntologySummit2010 virtual discourse, please refer to details here


 * Join us at some of the upcoming virtual panel discussion (on the Ontolog Forum) on this year's summit topics. Watch for the announcements!


 * Registration for the face-to-face workshop (Mon & Tue 2009.03.15 & 16) will be announced later. Please be on the look out for it!


 * Session ended 2009.12.10 11:59am PST

Audio Recording of this Session
(the recording below represents the raw audio file; due to the glitches we had with the conferencing system, this recording will need to be further edited and cleaned up, when we can get around to it.)


 * To download the audio recording of the session, click here
 * the playback of the audio files require the proper setup, and an MP3 compatible player on your computer.
 * Conference Date and Time:	10-Dec-2009 10:39~11:59am Pacific Standard Time
 * Duration of Recording:	1 Hour 22.5 Minutes
 * Recording File Size:	       9.5 MB (in mp3 format)


 * suggestion: its best that you listen to the session while having the slide presentation opened in front of you. You'll be prompted to advance slides by the speaker.
 * Take a look, also, at the rich body of knowledge that this community has built together, over the years, by going through the archives of noteworthy past Ontolog events. (References on how to subscribe to our podcast can also be found there.)

For the record ...

How To Join (while the session is in progress)

 * 1. Dial in with a phone: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_12_10#nid23N3
 * 2. Open chat in a new browser window: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20091210
 * 3. Download presentations for each speaker here: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_12_10#nid23MX
 * or, 3.1 (access our shared-screen vnc server, if you are not behind a corporate firewall)