OOR/ConferenceCall 2008 01 23

= Founding Members Meeting of the OpenOntologyRepository (OOR) Initiative - Wed 2008.01.23 =

'''This is the (first) Founding Members meeting (conference call) of the Open Ontology Repository (OOR) Initiative. Please refer also to the planning meeting* for this initiative, where the effort was materialized, along with its name and charter.' (*ref. ConferenceCall_2008_01_03)''

Conference Call Details

 * Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 
 * Start Time: 12:00pm EST / 9:00am PST / 17:00 GMT/UTC
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Attendees

 * Attended:
 * LeoObrst
 * MikeDean
 * PeterYim
 * JohnGraybeal
 * AtillaElci
 * KenBaclawski
 * RaviSharma
 * LeeFeigenbaum (Cambridge Semantics)
 * SteveRay
 * AndersTell
 * MichelleRaymond
 * RexBrooks
 * PatHayes


 * Expecting:
 * TimRedmond
 * ChrisMenzel (tentative)
 * MarkMusen (probably only first 30 min.)
 * ... to register for participation, please add your name (plus your affiliation, if you aren't already a member of the community) above, or e-mail  so that we can reserve enough resources to support everyone's participation. ...
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 * Regrets:
 * Andrew Nee (NUS, Singapore) (traveling, in Paris at time of call)
 * RoyLowry (at Ostend, will try to join)
 * BarrySmith
 * OliverNewell
 * GerryCreager (at AMS, busy week, will try to join, not sure)
 * TimMcGrath
 * PeterBrown (at a conferece)
 * KajalClaypool
 * PatCassidy
 * DennisNicholson (Centre for Digital library Research, University of Strathclyde)
 * MarciaZeng

Agenda Ideas

 * LeoObrst: "definition: registry vs. repository; goals" - http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/oor-forum/2008-01/msg00016.html
 * PeterYim: take inventory of what everyone is bringing to the table
 * PeterYim: discuss organization and process to get us to deliver our mission
 * SteveRay: now that OOR is adopted as the main theme for OntologySummit2008, how do we coordinate and leverage that effort (and avoid duplications)


 *  ... (please post your agenda ideas here; identify yourself for follow-up purposes)

Resources

 * Charter of the Open Ontology Repository (OOR) Initiative
 * "To promote the global use and sharing of ontologies by: 1. establishing a hosted registry-repository; 2. enabling and facilitating open, federated, collaborative ontology repositories; 3. establishing best practices for expressing interoperable ontology and taxonomy work in registry-repositories."
 * Open Ontology Repository initiative - Planning Meeting - Thu ConferenceCall_2008_01_03
 * LeoObrst's input on "definition: registry vs. repository; goals" - http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/oor-forum/2008-01/msg00016.html

Agenda & Proceedings
1. Meeting called to order:


 * LeoObrst & MikeDean took the chair and welcomed everyone
 * PeterYim volunteered to take minutes of the meeting
 * review and adopt agenda

2. Roll Call:


 * see above

3. Status Review and Discussion:


 * Logistics and Communications
 * please create your "namesake page" on the wiki, if you haven't already done so.
 * ref. http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidA
 * the OpenOntologyRepository wiki homepage has yet to be populated - PeterYim


 * Outstanding Issue review/update: (from last call)
 * consider requirement - think of scope and staging <-- to be discussed today
 * create a wiki page and a mailing list - Peter  (--partially done/ppy)
 * will be subscribing all to [ontolog-forum] and the new [oor-forum] lists (--done/ppy)


 * Discussions:


 * consider requirement - think of scope and staging
 * LeoObrst: "definition: registry vs. repository; goals" - http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/oor-forum/2008-01/msg00016.html


 * Adopting the following definition for the OOR initiative:
 * a registry is defined to be a data structure where data, metadata, knowledge or semantic objects are listed as being available, along with who placed them there, and their conditions of use.
 * A repository is a data structure where data, metadata, knowledge or semantic objects and related artifacts are placed, and can be accessed from; typically repositories include management software.
 * for reference: A registry therefore can be considered a portion of a repository, a listing or table of contents for the repository, rather than the entire contents of the repository (which repository can be either centralized or distributed). A simple example of a registry is the Windows Registry, which is a listing or table of installed programs, rather than the entire set of programs themselves and their data.
 * for reference: A registry therefore can be considered a portion of a repository, a listing or table of contents for the repository, rather than the entire contents of the repository (which repository can be either centralized or distributed). A simple example of a registry is the Windows Registry, which is a listing or table of installed programs, rather than the entire set of programs themselves and their data.


 * our (the OOR initiative) focus will be on the repository.
 * Ravi: clarifying between registry and the registering process
 * John: clarifying between register and registry
 * Anders: there are also registry servcies and repository services
 * Steve: ref. DavidWeinberger's "Everything is Miscellaneous" - repository is where we find the stuff, and registry contains information about that stuff
 * we want: repository <-> storage ... registry <-> indices
 * Steve: while separate notions, intelligent repositories will have a registry for performance reasons
 * Steve: while separate notions, intelligent repositories will have a registry for performance reasons


 * Ravi's suggestion:
 * Repository is a database or datawarehouse where ontology information and artifacts including executables and software components and objects are stored.
 * Registry is both a mechanism to represent metadata about the contents of repository as well as a representation of public and private access and membership lists etc.
 * Both registries and repositories can be distributed and federated.
 * Both registries and repositories can be distributed and federated.


 * Steve's suggestion:
 * A repository is a storage facility where ontology information and artifacts including executables and software components and objects can be found.
 * A registry is an index that organizes and directs the user to information stored in a repository.
 * A registry is an index that organizes and directs the user to information stored in a repository.


 * Adopting: "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and related information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed."
 * not concluded ... fairly close already, we'll carry this on on the list


 * see also discussion on the chat session below


 * organization
 * relationship to Ontolog? <-- deferred discussion to the next meeting
 * PeterYim: take inventory of what everyone is bringing to the table
 * Peter will start a wiki page for that and let every know on the list
 * Everyone is encouraged to post to the list what they will be bringing to the table with links to the work (this will make initial content that could populate that page.)


 * Process and Deliverables:
 * SteveRay: now that OOR is adopted as the main theme for OntologySummit2008, how do we coordinate and leverage that effort (and avoid duplications)
 * Mike: OntologySummit2008 would definitely help bootstrap the OOR effort
 * we'll attend the next planning meeting of the OntologySummit2008


 * Timeline / Milestones:
 * note the OntologySummit2008 calendar for now
 * target something we can "show" from this OOR effort at the OntologySummit2008 workshop


 * Funding
 * deferred discussion to the next meeting, along with the organization discussion

5. New Issues:

6. Any Other Business:

7. Action items:

8. Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn:


 * Next Meeting:
 * Wed 2008.02.13 (same time) - 12:00pm EST / 9:00am PST / 17:00 GMT/UTC - World Clock
 * refer to details at the wiki session page (closer to the time) at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_02_13


 * Call adjourned at: 10:37 am PST

-- notes taken by: PeterYim / 2008.01.23-10:39am PST All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.

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 * Discussion captured from the chat session:

PeterYim: Welcome to: Founding Members Meeting of the OpenOntologyRepository (OOR) Initiative - Wed 2008.01.23

anonymous morphed into Lee Feigenbaum

RaviSharma: what is he broad agenda?

JohnGraybeal1: Ravi, it is here:http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23

JohnGraybeal1: The assumption of a distributed system as the primary (?) solution merits further discussion, but I don't think it affects the definition.

RaviSharma: location could be virtual and is only importnt for infrastructure and architecture such as distributed for eficiency etc.

RaviSharma: Repository is a database or datawarehouse where ontology information and artifacts including executables and software components and objects are stored.

RaviSharma: Registry is both a mechanism to represent metadata about the contents of repository as well as a representation of public and private access and membership lists etc.

RaviSharma: Both registries and repositories can be distributed and federated.

anonymous morphed into Anders W. Tell

SteveRay: How about: A repository is a storage facility where ontology information and artifacts including executables and software components and objects can be found.

SteveRay: Then, a registry is an index that organizes and directs the user to information stored in a repository.

KenBaclawski: Are registries and repositories separate notions or does a repository necessarily include a registry?

JohnGraybeal: How critical are the words 'including executables and software components and objects"? It raises a question for me about what they are doing in the registry.

RaviSharma: artifacts and information elements are ok

RaviSharma: services are ok

SteveRay: A repository is a storage facility where information artifacts can be found.

SteveRay: An ontology repository is a storage facility where ontologies and related information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed.

SteveRay: An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and related information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed.

SteveRay: For the future: A registry is an index that organizes and directs the user to objects found in a repository.

JohnGraybeal: To clarify for the minutes, let me introduce here (no comment needed at this time) the two clarifying definitions I mentioned earlier. (I think these come from ISO 19135 but can't swear to that.)

JohnGraybeal: Register: database of the items being registered.

AndersTell: Reference to existing and important work: 

JohnGraybeal: Registry: information system on which a register is maintained; facilitates accessibility and storage for the registry. (I assume this means the computer(s) and operating system(s).)

RaviSharma: The link provided by Anders is very relevant illustration from W3c and ebXML site.