ConferenceCall 2012 12 19

= OntologPSMW: Début, Tutorial and Possibilities - Wed 2012-12-19 =

Invited Speakers: KenBaclawski (Northeastern U) & YaronKoren (WikiWorks)

Topic: OntologPSMW: Debut, Tutorial and Possibilities intro slides

Session Chair: PeterYim (Ontolog, CIM3)

Briefings:


 * Professor KenBaclawski (Northeastern U) - Transitioning to a Semantic Collaboration Environment  slides
 * Mr. YaronKoren (WikiWorks) - Semantic MediaWiki and the "Semantic Bundle"  slides

Archives:


 * Abstract
 * Agenda
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 * [ 0-Chair ] . [ 1-Baclawski ] . [ 2-Koren ]
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Conference Call Details

 * Date: Wednesday, 19-Dec-2012
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 * Attended:
 * PeterYim (chair)
 * KenBaclawski (invited speaker)
 * YaronKoren (invited speaker)
 * TejasParikh
 * SumitPurohit
 * PrateekJain
 * MikeDean
 * BobSchloss
 * ChetEnsign
 * ToddSchneider
 * DavidMason
 * TomTinsley
 * MarcelaVegetti
 * AtillaElci
 * DuncanGoheen
 * BobbinTeegarden
 * TerryLongstreth
 * AlanRector
 * AmandaVizedom
 * PavithraKenjige
 * MatthewWest
 * AnatolyLevenchuk
 * MikeBennett
 * SteveRay
 * VictorAgroskin
 * Alexandra


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 * Regrets:
 * JesseWang
 * Eric Beaussart
 * EugeneKim
 * ChrisDent
 * NaicongLi
 * JonathanCheyer
 * MarkusKroetzsch
 * Frode Hegland
 * YuwangYin

Abstract
OntologPSMW: Debut, Tutorial and Possibilities - [ intro slides]

by: PeterYim (Ontolog; CIM3)

From the beginning of ONTOLOG back in 2002, this community has been thriving in a collaborative work environment (CWE). Our CWE has included a wiki, almost from the start, which served as a shared display and a collaborative authoring workspace, and a content repository for this CoP and the related communities that its been hosting (like OOR, IAOA, OntologySummit, to name a few.) Until now the "wiki engine" in use has been "PurpleWiki" which is a variant of usemod wiki, with PurpleNumbers and other enhancements developed by EugeneKim and ChrisDent.

Ontolog is about ready to move on, to a richer wiki platform. The "wiki engine" we will be progressing to, is "Purple SemanticMediaWiki (PSMW)". This move has been contemplated since about the time we ran the SemanticWiki mini-series here, back in the 2008/2009 time frame. The plan now, is to deploy an OntologPSMW starting in January 2013, and do parallel runs (with both wiki platforms in production) as the community gets familiar with the new wiki and collaboratively explore how to leverage the new capabilities.

Invited to present at this session are KenBaclawski and YaronKoren. Ken co-led the psmw-dev team (with PeterYim) that has been developing the pmwx (purple mediawiki extension) as an enhancement to MediaWiki, as well as other tools and features in OntologPSMW. Yaron is among one of the most prominent and prolific developers in the SemanticMediaWiki space. Extensions developed by Yaron, like Semantic Forms and Semantic Drilldown are practically defacto standards for almost everyone working with SemanticMediaWiki's.

YaronKoren has just recently published his new book entitled "Working with MediaWiki" - a brilliant work that fills a long overdue need to make MediaWiki's and SemanticMediaWiki's more accessible to a wider user-base. He will be giving us a tutorial at this session based on some of the most useful material he has covered in that book.

After the two presentations, we will have an extended Q&A and open discussion segment, where the community will have a chance to get answers to questions they have in mind. We will also discuss what the potentials and possibilities might be, after we have PSMW at our disposal. Among those possibilities is the use of OntologPSMW to enrich the upcoming OntologySummit2013 content and deliverables, or other initiatives where crowdsourcing may be a paradigm.

Agenda
OntologPSMW: Debut, Tutorial and Possibilities


 * Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call


 * 1. Opening - (chair) PeterYim [10 min.] ... [ slides ]
 * 2. "The Ontolog wiki: from pw to psmw" - KenBaclawski [30 min.]
 * 3. "Working with MediaWiki and SemanticMediaWiki" - YaronKoren [45 min.]
 * 4. Q & A and open discussion [All: ~30 min.] -- please refer to [ above]
 * 5. Wrap-up / Next steps - (chair) PeterYim [5 min.]

Proceedings:
Please refer to the above

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session:

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.) Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

-- Chat transcript from room: ontolog_20121219 2012-12-19 GMT-08:00 [PST] --

[09:10] PeterYim: Welcome to the

= OntologPSMW: debut session - Wed 2012-12-19 =

Topic: OntologPSMW: Debut, Tutorial and Possibilities

Session Chair: PeterYim (Ontolog, CIM3)

Invited Presentations:


 * Professor KenBaclawski (Northeastern U) - Transitioning to a Semantic Collaboration Environment slides


 * Mr. YaronKoren (WikiWorks) - Semantic MediaWiki and the "Semantic Bundle"

Logistics:


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--- Attendees: AlanRector, Alexandra, AmandaVizedom, AnatolyLevenchuk, AtillaElci, BobSchloss, ChetEnsign, DavidMasonason, DuncanGoheen, KenBaclawski (invited speaker), MarcelaVegetti, MatthewWest, MikeBennett, MikeDean, PavithraKenjige, PeterYim (chair), PrateekJain, SteveRay, SumitPurohit, TejasParikh, TerryLongstreth, ToddSchneider, TomTinsley, YaronKoren (invited speaker), ---

Proceedings:
[09:23] anonymous morphed into PrateekJain

[09:23] anonymous1 morphed into BobSchloss

[09:28] anonymous morphed into DavidMason

[09:32] anonymous morphed into PavithraKenjige

[09:34] AmandaVizedom2 morphed into AmandaVizedom

[09:35] anonymous1 morphed into AtillaElci

[09:36] anonymous morphed into Alexandra

[09:36] PeterYim: == PeterYim starts session and presenting ...

[09:38] anonymous1 morphed into TejasParikh

[09:38] anonymous1 morphed into TomTinsley

[09:38] anonymous morphed into DuncanGoheen

[09:48] PeterYim: == KenBaclawski presenting ...

[09:53] AtillaElci: ref. Baclawski slide #5 & #19 - PSMW Project (http://project.cim3.net/PSMW) returns 404 error!

[09:54] PeterYim: sorry ... the link should be http://project.cim3.net/wiki/PSMW

[09:56] PeterYim: today's session page on OntologPSWM is at: http://ontolog-02.cim3.net/wiki/ConferenceCall_2012_12_19

[09:57] MatthewWest: If the purple numbers are computed, does that mean that the reference for a particular section might change after a page has been updated (and thereby invalidate a link that has been made to it)?

[10:01] YaronKoren: I was wondering the same thing, actually.

[10:02] PeterYim: @Matthew & Yaron - very good and important question ... let's get that answered during the Q&A / Discussion

[10:04] MatthewWest: A really good way to do it would be for there to be an underlying anchor that did not change, and to which the link was made, but a visible representation that did

[10:02] SteveRay: Hmm. The coding doesn't look very user-friendly.

[10:03] PeterYim: @Steve - that's where YaronKoren's Semantic Forms extensions come in

[10:04] SteveRay: OK. Unfortunately, I will have to leave around 20 minutes past the hour, so I'll have to view the recording.

[10:07] SteveRay: The SPARQL example did not look like normal SPARQL syntax. Not familiar with the [] syntax.

[10:10] PeterYim: == YaronKoren presenting ...

[10:10] AmandaVizedom: The hierarchical relationship between "Categories" in a Knowledge Organization Structure is usually a subtopic/supertopic relationship, rather than the typically ontological subClass/superClass relation. This causes a lot of confusion when people use KOS hierarchies in ontological environments, or ontologies in information organization environments. One way to resolve this is to interpret the ontological classes as eliptically named, that is, "mammals" becomes "documents about mammals". That allows preservation of subClass relationships, but really means that in using an ontology, one is really doing a two-layered trick, using the original ontology and relations between things in it, but also creating & using a ontology of documents about things in the original ontology. So far, I'm suspecting that this is such a case. Not a problem, inherently, but something that becomes important to be clear about ! when using existing ontologies.

[10:11] SteveRay: @Amanda: Very interesting distinction - thanks. I can see the potential for a big mess.

[10:14] SteveRay: These queries don't appear to be standard SPARQL. #show?

[10:44] KenBaclawski: @Steve: #show is not SPARQL: the label on my slide was incorrect. However, we do plan to support SPARQL.

[10:14] SteveRay: Perhaps I'm misunderstanding. Is there a native query language, PLUS support for SPARQL?

[10:15] AmandaVizedom: @Steve - YW. I have done clean-up on a number of well-intended reuses of ontologies as KOSes and vice versa, in which the different behavior of subClass and subTopic wasn't understood. So I'm attuned to pick up that pattern. It can be done and done well, though; it's just important to understand which layers or behaviors are using the original ontology and which are using the corresponding KOS/document ontology.

[10:20] SteveRay: It also appears that the ontology specification language is not a standard one, such as Turtle, or RDF-XML. I look forward to hearing how these new syntaxes map to traditional ones. I will have to hear the answers off-line, as I must leave now.

[10:24] PeterYim: @Ken, @Yaron - kindly discuss support for SPARQL queries

[10:43] YaronKoren: [running demo] ... please point your browsers to: http://foodfinds.referata.com

[10:45] MatthewWest: Sorry, have to go. Interesting stuff.

[10:50] PeterYim: @Alexandra - can we get your full name, please? (you can morph into that by clicking the "Settings" button (top center)

[10:57] SumitPurohit: Thanks Everyone...have to go. Thanks for participation.

[11:01] AmandaVizedom: @Ken - it's actually *very* common to reorganize and/or add sections to a page

[11:02] AmandaVizedom: & it may be that the TOC is enough

[11:01] PeterYim: see: http://ontolog-02.cim3.net/wiki/ConferenceCall_2012_12_19

[11:05] AtillaElci: @Peter: Do you mean to say that a purple number once use will never get used?

[11:07] AtillaElci: If so, a purple number then provides an immediate tiny URL. That would be wonderful.

[11:12] AmandaVizedom: History available at TOC section level?

[11:19] AmandaVizedom: I asked about the extent to which ontology has been incorporated into the Ontolog PSMW so far. Ken responded that the ICOM ontology has been, and that this concerns collaborative work, so seemed appropriate. More discussion will be open about what we want to support.

[11:19] KenBaclawski: The ICOM website is https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=icom

[11:19] AmandaVizedom: Thanks, @Ken

[11:21] PeterYim: should we have another OntolgoPSMW session for OntologySummit2013 champions on what-to and how-to's ... general consensus is 'yes' ... we will try to schedule one after the new year, but before the Jan-17 OntologySummit2013 launch event

[11:23] PeterYim: soliciting inputs to - http://ontolog-02.cim3.net/wiki/Demos_Prototypes_Examples & http://ontolog-02.cim3.net/wiki/Issues_Bugs_Suggestions

[11:28] TerryLongstreth: about query language standards: There may be some synergy between SMW and the DOL activities

[11:31] PrateekJain: Using OWL?

[11:32] TerryLongstreth: or using Common Logic

[11:33] PrateekJain: Yes

[11:34] PrateekJain: I believe you can.

[11:34] AmandaVizedom: It is not straightforward in OWL, but easy-peasy in a more expressive ontology language. :-)

[11:34] PrateekJain: But I will confirm it, with PascalHitzler

[11:34] PrateekJain: not straightforward yes :-)

[11:34] MikeBennett: I think as soon as we look at using RDF/OWL and queries across the wiki pages, we need to keep Amanda's earlier point front and center. That is, the OWL thing which is "Article about a Thing" is not the same as, but has an object property relating to, the kind of OWL Thing which is the thing itself. Else pain will ensue.

[11:35] YaronKoren: That's very good to know, then. Any documentation would be useful - if you find it, I would definitely appreciate it if you sent me any links - yaron [at] wikiworks.com.

[11:35] PrateekJain: Can you give me the exact example?

[11:35] PrateekJain: I will just send it over to Pascal and he might be able to look at it and give the definite answer

[11:36] YaronKoren: Prateek - something like "Every entity that is a city should have a relationship called "Population", and another relationship called "Mayor", and nothing else."

[11:36] PrateekJain: Okay! I will send it over. Thanks

[11:37] YaronKoren: Thank you!

[11:37] MikeBennett: Happy Holidays to you Peter!

[11:37] DavidMason: thanks !

[11:37] AtillaElci: Bye

[11:37] MarcelaVegetti: Thanks

[11:37] PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:37am PST --

[11:37] List of attendees: AlanRector, Alexandra, AmandaVizedom, AnatolyLevenchuk, AtillaElci, BobSchloss, ChetEnsign, DuncanGoheen, KenBaclawski, MatthewWest, MikeBennett, MikeDean, PavithraKenjige, PeterYim, PrateekJain, SteveRay, SumitPurohit, TejasParikh, TerryLongstreth, ToddSchneider, TomTinsley, YaronKoren, DavidMason, MarcelaVegetti, vnc2

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